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The Long Winded Blues of the Never

An All-Seasons Walt & Jesse Recap


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Season One 
Season Two, Part One


Season Two, Part Two


Better Call Saul

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"Conscience gets expensive, don't it?"

By mid S2, Walt has convinced Jesse to take on the role of his puppet kingpin. Besides cooking, Walt's main job in their new organisation is controlling Jesse by insisting that Jesse is the one in control. Jesse is the king, the blowfish, the boss of their street crew. The greater challenge for Walt is that he now also has to keep control over Jesse's three idiot friends, all of whom are an extension of Jesse's chaos and even more haphazard than he is. Jesse loves his boys and takes responsibility for them and Walt has had to allow Jesse that leadership (or an illusion of power) since Jesse was threatening to walk out on him. Jesse already "took care of business" when Skinny Pete got robbed. When Badger gets busted, Jesse intends to do right by him too. Saul Goodman has the criminal lawyer skills to pull it off but it's easier for him to let Badger roll on his bosses. In a panic, Walt and Jesse have to don their silly bobbled balaclavas again and play at being scary enforcers to get Saul to do what they want. It's funny watching Saul's shifting reactions to Walt and Jesse, at first pleading with them and perceiving them as two ruthless thugs and then realizing they are just a couple of desperate amateurs and taking pity on them. Walt and Jesse were recently kidnapped and terrorized by Tuco so they think they can dish out the same imitation themselves. But as Saul points out if they were real crime lords, their first plan would've been killing Badger.

Jesse rejects this proposal because "We're not killing Badger, YO!" while Walt, who's been letting Jesse do all the talking, just seems exasperated because he knows the killing Badger suggestion would be so much easier. Walt will come to see prison shankings as the obvious solution later in S5. But there's no way Walt will keep Jesse on his side if he tells Saul to have Badger murdered. And there's also no way that Walt is ready to admit that Jesse Pinkman might be a more moral person than he is either. But Saul is happy because he gets to charge Walt and Jesse even more money for their complicated predicament. Conscience is expensive, a sentiment which will echo through the show again in S5 when Jesse gives up 5 million for the sake of his guilt while Walt earns a whole shed full of money because he feels no remorse.     


Four Days Out

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"Whatever happens, your family will get your share."

Yay! Walt and Jesse go fishing meth cooking in the RV for the weekend! And almost die!! I love the bottle episodes.

This one starts with Walt tearing Jesse away from what would've been a lovely romantic visit to an art gallery with Jane. Jesse is going through one of the happier periods of his life yet Walt assumes (or maybe hopes) that Jesse has no life beyond his servitude to Walt. But apparently Walt still wins the battle for Jesse's loyalties at this stage in the S2 love triangle, though Jesse does object to Walt bitchily referring to Jane as "some stripper". Yet aside from their habitual bickering, Walt and Jesse seem content together on their weekend in the boonies. To me, the process of making meth looks tediously boring, but Walt and Jesse always seem so serene and at peace when they are working together in the lab, especially with the catchy 'One by One' tune accompanying the montage. It's one of their greatest moments of friendship and even equality when they high five over all the money they are going to make off the misery of methheads. Jesse even convinces Walt that they should take the night off at a Denny's some place and maybe that'll actually be fun. 

Of course, Walt and Jesse forget that the universe loves to screw them over and that Jesse in particular is a magnet ("bitch!") for disaster. Jesse's already killed the battery and quickly makes it harder for Walt to fix things as he blows up the charger and puts out the fire with all their drinking water. Walt doesn't actually get mad at Jesse, maybe because he lied to him about the methylamine spoiling. If Walt gets to manipulate Jesse's life then Jesse gets to screw up Walt's life. That's the deal. Jesse doesn't get mad at Walt for lying either (it's the first time Walt really does lie to Jesse. Up until this point Walt's lied to everyone but Jesse) because Jesse realizes Walt's cancer must be taking hold. This episode is one of Cranston and Paul's two man plays but unlike 'Fly' it doesn't really involve much conversation or philosophizing. '4 Days Out' is more of a visual poem depicting two men and their damaged souls stranded in the merciless desert. Walt and Jesse stagger around in the hot sun, numbly trying to survive, too tired and thirsty to even despair over their plight. In the end, they just lay down together on their camp beds, Walt ready to accept his fate because it makes sense that he deserves it. But Jesse still wants to live (Jesse has something to live for...that trip to Santa Fe with Jane) and Jesse still believes that Walt is a superhero who can save them with science and build "a robot!" out of scrap parts. Or build a new battery. If they had died in the desert they would've died at their best; Walt the masterful scientist and Jesse applying himself. It's their combined minds that save them (Walt would have given up without Jesse) and together they conquer the desert, There's no hugging or celebrating. Like when they returned from their ordeal with Tuco, Walt and Jesse just slowly make their way home, both quietly mutually traumatized after yet another shared near-death experience. 
      
There's something very touching that happens in the car at the airport as Walt awkwardly murmurs "I know I can trust you" to Jesse, acknowledging that his partner is a decent person and they have a trust bond now. Jesse more openly expresses his devotion to Walt's dying cause because God knows Jesse himself would've been dead about five times over without Mr White.
  

Over

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"Never you mind, Death Professor..." 

Next episode Walt is all bored and bitter because he isn't dying anymore and so he has no good excuse to go out and break the law. Walt is restless in his housebound life of lingering sick leave. Walt only sounds energized again when he calls Jesse and asks to meet. The little scene at the cafe kills me. I always cry over Walt's families reaction to his cancer being in remission, but Jesse's joyous "Mr White you kicked it's ass, yo!" is the most precious thing ever (okay, I'll stop gushing over Jesse now). Jesse asks eagerly how Walt wants to proceed, clearly hoping Walt's news will mean they are prolonging their partnership. But no, Walt can't rationalize that, even though he seems more depressed than Jesse about their run seemingly coming to an end. Jesse seems saddened too, but he doesn't get clingy. Jesse has been through this before with his parents disowning him and his Aunt Jenny dying on him and it's easier for Jesse to cope with the looming loss of Mr White because Jesse isn't alone anymore. Jesse is in love. Unlike Walt, Jesse seems to relish the domestic bliss of sharing his home with Jane and he's a happy little slave cooking her breakfast. The illusion is shattered when Jane refuses to introduce Jesse to her father as her boyfriend. Jesse is Jane's dirty secret, just as he is Walt's dirty secret. The two most important relationships Jesse has right now are both with people who don't wish to acknowledge that they really know Jesse.    

Walt's lost in OCD mania for most of the episode. His identity and his desires are so fragmented that Heisenberg briefly slips out at a family party to ply Junior with alcohol and rage at Hank. Walt doesn't find his footing again until the awesome final scene of the episode when he comes across a copycat version of his and Jesse's meth operation. First Walt notices the alternate universe Jesse blatantly buying cook stuff (Walt, your Jesse is waaaay cuter). Walt doesn't get angry. He just kindly informs AU Jesse that he's doing it wrong and he gets a kick out of the guy running out of the store like a spooked rabbit. Imitation is a form of flattery after all. Heisenberg has become an urban legend and now there are pretenders to Walt's throne. All the more reason for Walt to march out and reclaim his crown (while the chilling DLZ song kicks in). Walt comes face to face with the wannabe Heisenberg; who looks more like Hank and Walt scares this guy out of his drugs territory where he'd failed to scare Hank out of his home territory.  


Mandala

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"Because he does what I say. Because I can trust him."

Skinny got robbed, Badger got busted, now Combo gets killed. It's Walt's fault for pushing to widen their territory and throwing down a gauntlet for a turf war at the end of 'Over'. But Walt refuses to accept responsibility and doesn't even know which dealer Combo is. So Jesse ends up blaming himself for his friend being murdered. The circumstances of Combo's death are already foreshadowing Jane's death which Walt is also responsible for, yet Jesse ends up shouldering all the guilt and grieving over the loss. A dangerous gap starts to widen between Walt and Jesse here; they sit in Saul's office with Walt moaning about their lousy business set backs and Jesse smoking, twitching and quietly dying inside because they got a guy killed and he was Jesse's friend. Walt is thrilled for the opportunity to connect with a real business man in the drug trade but when Jesse arrives at the Los Pollos meet the void stretches between them again. To Walt's mind, they are advancing, moving up a level. For Jesse, this is a fall. They have blood on their hands, his friend's blood. So no, Jesse is not going to sit there with his happy meal.

Walt hangs on, determined to ascend and he finally gets his meet with Gus who says straight up that he won't work with Walt because Walt has chosen to work with the obvious walking disaster that is Jesse. I gotta say, I love that Walt doesn't offer to cut ties with Jesse in a bid to get into business with Gus. Walt doesn't deny that Jesse is a tweeked out mess. And when Gus asks Walt to explain why Jesse is his partner, there is a great weight and sincerity to his answer; "Because he does what I say. Because I can trust him." Yes, Walt uses Jesse. Yes, he treats the poor kid like his servant. But how Walt has come to value having Jesse. But Gus is right. Walt can't trust a junkie because however trustworthy Jesse might be, Jesse is losing himself to addiction, turning to harder drugs than he's been on before because it's not like Walt offered him any comfort over Combo's death or even noticed that Jesse was broken up over it. The cracks couldn't be bigger by the end of the episode when Walt finds Jesse zoned out on heroin and all he can do is slap him and shake him, screaming to know where the product is. Walt's own child being born isn't enough to halt his drug deal with Gus and Jesse's wasted condition doesn't even cause Walt to pause. 
  

Phoenix

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"Yes, as a matter of fact, I do know what is best for you..."

The next morning Jesse calls Walt in a panic, thinking their meth has been stolen and Walt hangs up on him because Walt's just mean like that. Jesse eventually figures out that it was Walt that broke in and goes to tell him off for being an asshole, but it's no good. Jesse is the one in the doghouse here. Jesse shouldn't really have to hide his drug use from his partner in drug dealing but Mr White is still the closest thing has to a parent now and Jesse is used to squirming and making false promises as parents scold him for taking drugs. What Jesse won't stand for his Walt insulting Jane. Walt has known that Jesse has a girl in his life for a while now and he seemed to be hoping this was just some trashy meaningless fling, not a relationship Jesse was seriously invested in. When Jesse throws the glass beaker and it smashes inches away from Walt's head, it's a sign that the drugs are making Jesse dangerous and that someone else may have a stronger claim on Jesse's loyalties now. Walt is losing his grasp on the one person he thought he could trust and control. All because he under-estimated Jane who is soon on the phone to Walt, blackmailing him into giving Jesse his money. 

Jesse doesn't like Jane threatening Walt but Jesse is easily led at the best of times and Jesse-on-heroin is a dazed and confused wuss while Jane-on-heroin is a deadly unstoppable bitch. Walt sneers at Jesse for being so obviously enslaved by his girlfriend (it seems Walt never forgot Jesse mocking him for his 'nice job wearing the pants' with Skyler) but when Jesse promises Walt he'll never hear from either of them again, Walt softens because he doesn't want to end things this way. Technically this should be the perfect solution. Walt has his money for his family, his daughter has been born, Skyler still doesn't know the truth. Now Jesse is either going to OD or run away with Jane and either way; doesn't that tie up those two loose ends? Walt will later call this time his perfect moment to die and he missed it. He missed it all because he realized he cares about Jesse and he couldn't let him go. When Walt refers to Jesse as his "nephew" when talking to Donald, I take that as Sopranos-speak that Jesse has become Walt's son in his criminal life and God knows Tony and Chris had something far more intense than the average father/son relationship. Walt sees Jesse as family now and takes Donald's advice not to give up on him. Which for Walt partly means not giving up on his power over Jesse.

When Walt sits down at Jesse's bedside he finally seems to take in the needles and the blue veins and how much he let Jesse's drug use spiral out of control. Walt didn't come to Jesse's house with the intention of killing Jane. He meant to rescue Jesse from an overdose somehow. So when Jane starts choking in her sleep, Walt's rational brain takes over and halts his human impulse to save the girl. This is it. This his how he'll save Jesse's life and scare him straight. Because Walt knows what's best for Jesse. Look closely and it's not Heisenberg who is letting Jane die; it's Walter White and he's doing it for Jesse. In this moment, Walt has cast all his perfect schemes aside and all he wants is for Jesse to stop killing himself with drugs. I know this is some crazy twisted kind of tough love, but it still feels like love to me.   


ABQ

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"I woke up. I found her. That's all I know."

But let's be clear; Walt did leave Jesse to wake up next to his girlfriend's corpse. Walt is mean like that. Walt knows Jesse well enough by now to predict what he'll do once he inevitably wakes up and finds Jane's body. He's waiting for Jesse to call him in a panic because even when Jesse claims to be done with their partnership he still ends up calling Walt when he's distraught and has nobody else to turn to. At first it appears that Walt has planned to keep Jesse's devastation at arm's length, calling Saul to clean up the mess for him. The combination of Jane's death and his heroin addiction has reduced Jesse to a childlike state of helplessness. After calling Walt, Jesse takes himself outside and sits down on the stoop, like the Peekaboo kid waiting for help to come and not wanting to go back into the house with the scary dead body inside. But Mike arrives and orders Jesse back into the house. Mike will become another father figure for Jesse as the show progresses, but Mike isn't sympathetic to Jesse's fragile emotions here. But he still does what's best for Jesse; cleaning up the scene, telling him what he needs to do next and slapping him hard to be sure he understands. For now, it's Mike's job to do this for Jesse, but one day he'll be looking out for Jesse for free.        

When Jesse's despair leads him to the crack house, Mike offers to continue his paid protector duties and go to fish Jesse out of there. Walt doesn't say why he has to go in himself, risking his life and his arrest if the police are watching the house. Again, it may be some of those fatherly feelings coming out with Walt thinking "No, not you! He needs his real dad." Or it could be another case of Walt accepting that he deserves this and he needs to face it. Walt going into the crack house is really Walt's version of Peekaboo. It's Walt stepping into a scary ruined world that his drug has created and seeing the scary ruined people who live there. And in the middle of all this ruin, Walt (like Jesse) finds a poor abused kid that he wants to rescue from it all. But the damage has already been done and Walt can't fix it just by taking Jesse some place nice and safe. Walt puts his arms around Jesse in an effort to pull him to his feet and Jesse just breaks down because this is what being hugged used to feel like. And like I've said before, I think Walt hates seeing Jesse hurt, especially if he's responsible for it. It's not an excuse but I don't actually think Walt realised Jesse was in love with Jane. He wanted to save Jesse's life but he took away Jesse's main reason to live. Jesse went to that house to die, like Romeo going to the charnel house to follow his Juliet.

After the beautiful echoes to 'Peekaboo', the S2 Walt/Jesse story ends with perfect echo to '4 Days Out'. Walt has got Jesse in rehab, which is what he decided was best for him. Jesse is wrapped in a toweling robe which is dollar bill green - Walt's usual colour (and I'm assuming that Walt paid for Jesse's stay at Serenity which must've been expensive). Jesse's usual loud red and yellow colours have been stripped away and we won't be seeing his little hiphop outfits ever again in present canon. Jesse has slipped away and the shell that's left is just something that belongs to Walt, dressed in Walt's colours and repeating Walt's words. Jesse didn't want to die in the desert, but he's back there now, ready to lie down and accept what he deserves. 

S2 Discussion Questions 
1) The usual: Favourite Walt and Jesse scene of S2, part 2?
2) In your opinion did Walt let Jane die for Jesse's sake or his own?


Walt & Jesse: Season Three, Part One
  

Date: 2012-09-28 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hanfastolfe.livejournal.com
Better Call Saul - You know, it's easy to forget how early in the game Walt was already manipulating Jesse and putting him in danger for the sake of money.

Four Days Out - I think this is where Jesse really begins idolizing Mr. White. He's already been impressed and humbled when they did their first cook and Jesse realizes the purity is beyond anything he's ever seen. Now, he believes so much in Mr. White he would kill for Walt. Literally.

It's also interesting to note how Walt seems to sense that Jesse's orbit is now around him, but he doesn't stop to give much of a hoot about Jesse's life outside of cooking.

Over - Jesse is indeed way cuter. ;)

Other than that I think this was another one of those focal-point episodes. At this stage, Walt could have taken the money and run, maybe taken a half pension from his teaching job, tried to get on SocSec Disability, and just been happy his cancer was licked.

But no, the thrill was missing and he needed it back.

Mandala - Gus! The Chicken Man! :P

Seriously, I think it's interesting that Gus has valid points but at the same time, he does not, at this stage, comprehend the ties that bind Walt and Jesse together. Mr. White has shown Jesse how to unlock his potential as the next meth king, and Jesse has helped Walter break free (or bad) from the constraints of his stiflingly pedestrian home life.

This show really is, for a large part of its arc, how Walter White is so badly underestimated that few people realize what he is truly capable of.

Phoenix - You know, if Walter had been more conciliatory with Jesse, chances are that he, Jesse and Jane could have come to some kind of accommodation.

It's also interesting how the people who get in Walt's way, even if they don't know they are, soon die: Krazy-8, Emilio, Tuco, and now Jane.

ABQ - "Jesse has slipped away and the shell that's left is just something that belongs to Walt, dressed in Walt's colours and repeating Walt's words."

That is so perfect I can't add more.

Season 2 - It really is kind of partly about Jesse being bound to Walter through means he's not fully aware of and may, in some cases, never know.

It is of interest to note that both Jane and Mike's deaths are due to Walter, yet in neither case is Jesse aware of that involvement, or even necessarily the truth about what happened.

I think Walt let Jane die for his own gain. She was prepared to blackmail him, coerce him out of money he had gotten and if it's one thing we've learned about Walt, is he does NOT like other people getting their mitts on his money if he doesn't think they deserve it.

Date: 2012-09-28 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
I love that moment in '4 Days Out' where Walt slowly sits up with his jaw hanging open and Jesse gets all excited that a stroke of scientific genius has come upon him. Walt really is Jesse's "Doctor Chemistry!" superhero in the early eps.

I think it's really interesting to see how both Gus and Mike respond to Walt and Jesse in the first episodes they appear in. Both Gus and Mike just seem to have contempt for Jesse at first. Maybe Mike pities him a little. They both seems to take a liking to Walt though and seem to feel bad for Walt being burdened with Jesse. How these dynamics change over the seasons!

Maybe I'm being naive but I never felt that Walt letting Jane die was (purely) an act of self preservation due to her blackmail threat. I'm sure eliminating that threat was a secondary motivation but it's not like Walt had planned to murder Jane if she hadn't started choking. I know Cranston said that he felt Walt let her die because otherwise Jane would drag Jesse down with her. I kinda felt the same.

Thanks for the long reply! It's great to read your thoughts on every episode.

Date: 2012-09-28 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cylune9.livejournal.com
They both seems to take a liking to Walt though and seem to feel bad for Walt being burdened with Jesse. How these dynamics change over the seasons!

A bit like the audience...?

Date: 2012-09-28 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cylune9.livejournal.com
Yay!!! It's finally posted! I love your recaps. :) :)

Jesse rejects this proposal because "We're not killing Badger, YO!" while Walt, who's been letting Jesse do all the talking, just seems exasperated because he knows the killing Badger suggestion would be so much easier. Walt will come to see prison shankings as the obvious solution later in S5.

Great link to season 5. It's interesting to watch old episodes when you know what's going to happen in season 5. For some reason, I'm worried for Badger... with Jesse, he is Hank's only living link to Heisenberg right now. Walt could consider Badger to be another loose end that needs to be eliminated. 


It's one of their greatest moments of friendship and even equality when they high five over all the money they are going to make and Jesse convinces Walt that they should take the night off at a Deny's some place and maybe that'll actually be fun. 


Ah, yes. I love the bottle episodes too. Despite the relationship being completely unhealthy, Walt and Jesse do make a great team... they're still alive today because they complement each other so well in some disturbing way. They freaking defeated Gus together! They robbed a train! Magnets!! There has to be some sort of light to make us care about those two together despite everything that happened. 


'4 Days Out' is more of a visual poem depicting two men and their damaged souls stranded in the merciless desert.
I know... The cinematography in this episode was spectacular. 
The two most important relationships Jesse has right now are both with people who don't wish to acknowledge that they really know Jesse.

Awww, another great parallel. You're the best. 


His identity and his desires are so fragmented that Heisenberg briefly slips out at a family party to ply Junior with alcohol and rage at Hank.

I never made that link... it's so true - Walt doesn't get to be Heisenberg so that side of him slips out with Junior, of all people. 


I gotta say, I love that Walt doesn't offer to cut ties with Jesse in a bid to get into business with Gus.
It would have been so very simple and so easy for Walt. Those crazy dysfunctional kids...


Jesse-on-heroin is a dazed and confused wuss while Jane on heroin is a deadly unstoppable bitch.
It's so sad... because I kind of like Jane when she was sober. But the change is striking when she starts using again. Maybe that's one of the reason the audience is sympathetic to Jesse... he's a lovable drunk (figure of speach). 


Look closely and it's not Heisenberg who is letting Jane die; it's Walter White and he's doing it for Jesse. In this moment, Walt has cast all his perfect schemes aside and all he wants is for Jesse to stop killing himself with drugs. I know this is some crazy twisted kind of tough love, but it still feels like love to me.   
GAH!!!!! You're so right. Those crazy kids are killing me!!!!!!!


Jesse takes himself outside and sits down on the stoop, like the Peekaboo kid waiting for help to come and not wanting to go back into the house with the scary dead body inside.
Oh, you're doing it again. 


For now, it's Mike's job to do this for Jesse, but one day he'll be looking out for Jesse for free. 

Oh, Mike. What is it with Jesse that produces this type of 'protectiveness' reaction from others? Too bad his own parents were immune. 

Date: 2012-09-28 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cylune9.livejournal.com
1) The usual: Favourite Walt and Jesse scene of S2, part 2?
Definitely the crack-house scene. It's just so raw and gut-wrenching and, and I have no words how awesome that scene was. 

2) In your opinion did Walt let Jane die for Jesse's sake or his own?

At first I thought it was to get rid of the blackmailing threat but I'm changing my mind after reading your arguments. I totally agree with your reasoning that Jane wasn't a threat to  Walt - she was a threat to Jesse. So he let her die to save Jesse. I can you hate and love a character for the exact same action???

Date: 2012-09-29 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
Yeah, I wanted to ask the question about Walt's motivations because most fans do seem to just say that he did it to get rid of Jane's blackmail threat. But that doesn't really fit with Walt's motivations in 'Phoenix'. If Walt had sat at the bar with Donald and hinted that he was afraid someone was going to reveal a terrible secret about him and ruin his life then I'd say letting Jane die was all about the blackmail. But in the scenes preceding Jane's death all Walt's worries are focused on Jesse and his fear that Jesse is heading for an overdose.

I can you hate and love a character for the exact same action???

Yeah. I kind of feel this way about Jesse shooting Gale too. I hated that Gale died that way. Neither Jane nor Gale were innocents but they weren't bad people either and they didn't deserve their cruel fates. But Jesse shot Gale as a desperate act of love to save Walt and I think Walt did something similar - he didn't want Jane dead, he just realized her death could save Jesse. Of course the difference is Jesse killed Gale at Walt's behest while Walt killed Jane without Jesse's knowledge and (obviously) without his consent.

Date: 2012-09-28 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cylune9.livejournal.com
figure of speech. not figure of speach. I should change my name to skinny 'streat' pete.

Date: 2012-09-29 09:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
For some reason, I'm worried for Badger... with Jesse, he is Hank's only living link to Heisenberg right now. Walt could consider Badger to be another loose end that needs to be eliminated.

This has been worrying me too! In S4 Hank said his only two leads in the sale of blue meth were Badger (when they caught him dealing in Better Call Saul) and Jesse (by linking Jesse to the RV in Sunset). Hank can't go near Jesse because Saul would threaten him with police brutality charges. But Hank saw Badger leaving Jesse's house and he might see Badger as an easy starting point to get back into the Heisenberg case. My theory is if Hank goes after Badger then it might bring Jesse and Hank together because Jesse will want to stop Hank from putting Badger in danger of assassination (and probably Skinny Pete too since he can also ID Walt as being Heisenberg). I really hope nothing bad happens to Badger and Skinny. They need to have a happy ending. I hope Jesse gives them his money and they run off to live as rich playboys in Vegas or something.

I kind of like Jane when she was sober. But the change is striking when she starts using again.

I loved Jane when she was sober! Well, she was shitty to Jesse in 'Over' but she apologized for it and for the most part she was a good influence on him. I mean, she got Jesse to visit a museum! If they had stayed sober maybe she could've got Jesse a job at her tattoo parlor so he might have started to have some legal source of income. But you're right that Jane is like another person when she's using. And yes, she's a mean drunk - plus she's ruthless and manipulative enough to rival Walt. Jesse is more sympathetic because when he's on drugs it just amplifies how lost and vulnerable he is and how he obviously needs help.

What is it with Jesse that produces this type of 'protectiveness' reaction from others? Too bad his own parents were immune.

Well, firstly Jesse's obvious vulnerability that I just mentioned. But I think the other reason is that Jesse has a huge amount of empathy and compassion. He cares about Walt's cancer and plan to leave money for his family, he cares about Jane's recovery, he actually talks to Mike when they are driving around on jobs. I think Jesse is good at latching onto other people's emotions in this way, just because he is so honest and human with them. That said, I think Jesse connects best with other people who are lost and broken in some way (Walt, Jane, Mike, etc). His parents don't have that quality.

I think with Mike, he sees something innocent in Jesse or maybe feels like there's still hope for Jesse and he wants to protect that because he no longer feels there's any hope or innocence left in himself. Well, Jonathan Banks has also hinted in interviews that he thinks Jesse reminds Mike of his son (Kaylee's father). It's never explained what happened to Mike's wife and his son or daughter who parented Kaylee. But I think Banks has a headcanon that he once had a son and that his son is now gone (dead, missing, in jail) and that Mike may feel responsible for whatever happened to him. So he compensates by leaving all his money to his son's child but also maybe by attempting to save Jesse from a similar fate.

Date: 2012-09-30 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cylune9.livejournal.com
My theory is if Hank goes after Badger then it might bring Jesse and Hank together because Jesse will want to stop Hank from putting Badger in danger of assassination (and probably Skinny Pete too since he can also ID Walt as being Heisenberg).

I like that theory. I don't want Jesse to flip on Walt just to save himself and/or to get immunity/reduced sentence or something. Jesse's loyal to a fault and he's looking for punishment - so flipping to strike a deal with the DEA would be OOC. Jesse working with Hank to save Badger/Skinny from Walt? That I could see happening.

Date: 2012-11-09 03:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deeniedore1.livejournal.com
May I say this? Is it okay if I say this without sounding like an utter creep? Well, I just wanted to say that I really, REALLY love your analyses of Breaking Bad. Whenever you update, it's always one of the main highlights of my day.

Although you definitely make some very valid points, I was wondering if maybe I could bring something else to the table.

To answer the second question, I think that Walt let Jane due to fatherly feelings for Jesse. I'll try to answer this as concisely as possible.

1. There's a definite parallel between Jane and her father and Walt and Jesse's relationships.

-When Jane's dad figured out that Jane was back on drugs, he began to brutalize Jesse because he probably believed that he got her back on the drugs. He spoke of his concern for Jane, and made it very clear that he wanted her OFF THE DRUGS. Then, in the phone call scene between Jane and Walt, you could definitely see some of the same mood there. When he states "I will not contribute to his overdose", you can definitely hear the same conviction in his tone that Donald used. You could also see Jane's displeased reaction, which was a eerily similar reaction that she had when her own dad was pleading with her to get clean, showing both of the characters' respective father figures. In that scene, all Jane sees is another 'overbearing', overprotective father figure that's trying to control every aspect of her and Jesse's lives.

-Also, although this one might be more vague, Walt and Jesse's scene in the classroom was pretty similar

2. One of my favorite things of Breaking Bad is that every scene counts for something. And I believe that the scene at the bar that both Donald and Gus shared was meant to symbolize Walt's shifting feelings for Jesse. I mean, why else would they include a scene between two fathers? I think it's meant to show that, just like Donald, he loves Jesse like a son, even though he might show it in VERY different ways. And, just like Donald, he'll do damn near anything to get Jesse off the drugs when he finally realizes just how bad the usage has gotten.


And, well, this doesn't particularly pertain to the father/son aspect of the relationship, but there's a definite case that's already been made by several others that another reason Walt cares so much about Jesse and let Jane die is because of homoerotic subtext. But that's a whole other can of worms that it would take too long for me to open right now. Probably best to leave it for another day.


But, in any case, it's always great to see you update! I eagerly await your next post! (And sorry for bothering you with my bumbling ramblings).

Date: 2012-11-09 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
I just wanted to say that I really, REALLY love your analyses of Breaking Bad. Whenever you update, it's always one of the main highlights of my day.

Not creepy at all! This is great to hear. Well, unlike other websites like youtube there's no way of telling how many people are visiting let alone reading these recaps so it's only when I get comments that I know my ramblings are in some way appreciated. So thank you so much for commenting!

Also thanks for sharing your own meta because that's what I was hoping for when I started these posts. Even with the zillions of BB podcasts and reviews out there I can never get enough Walt & Jesse discussion. I definitely agree with the comparison between Walt and Donald; both father figures believing their "child" is the innocent who's being corrupted and seeing their lover as the bad influence. Jane saw Walt as the overbearing father from the scene they met, with Walt pretending to be "Mr Jackson", Jesse's concerned invasive dad.

there's a definite case that's already been made by several others that another reason Walt cares so much about Jesse and let Jane die is because of homoerotic subtext. But that's a whole other can of worms that it would take too long for me to open right now. Probably best to leave it for another day.

How about today? :D One thing I want to talk about more in my recaps (I'll get to it in my S5 one I'm sure) is how Jesse is (every member of!) Walt's substitute family in the drug world, which doesn't just mean Jesse is Walt's surrogate son; he's also his surrogate wife. There's even comparisons between Jesse and Holly with so many mentions in Phoenix that both babies and junkies need to sleep on their sides or be at risk of cot death. I'm always interested in slashy readings of Walt/Jesse's relationship because (despite the age difference) their story is full of romantic tropes.

Thanks for reading! Ramble on my LJ anytime. Hopefully I'll get the new recap posted sometime this coming week.

Date: 2013-02-16 08:52 am (UTC)
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Sorry for responding months later like a creeper, but I found these posts, um...actually, I'm not sure how I got here -- some kind of wiki-walk, but the essays have been great so far.

there's a definite case that's already been made by several others that another reason Walt cares so much about Jesse and let Jane die is because of homoerotic subtext. But that's a whole other can of worms that it would take too long for me to open right now. Probably best to leave it for another day.

I feel like there's more homoerotic subtext in later seasons, but in the first two there are definitely...symbolic elements which can be interpreted that way, is the best way to say it I guess. There are two main ones that I'm thinking of at the top of my head.

1. Walt doesn't cheat on Skyler with other women; he cheats on her with the drug trade. They use the 'mysterious phone calls from the other woman' trope, but it's Jesse on the line. They also use the 'stay away from my husband speech' trope, also from Skyler, the wife, to Jesse, standing in for the mistress.

2. Walt watches Jane die while standing over her and Jesse in what is, for all intents and purposes (and visual narrative), *their* bed in *their* home -- their 'marriage bed' if I'm being old fashioned. Symbolically, it's pretty loaded.

Date: 2013-02-16 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
Not creeped out in the slightest! Thanks for commenting! :D

1. I definitely agree with the subtext of Jesse being 'the other woman'. Or you could say Jesse is Walt's equivalent 'Moll', a love interest who Walt can have crazy criminal adventures with because his wife was too strict and square. When Walt brings Jesse home to dinner it does feel like Walt is flaunting his other life at Skyler and the person he shares it with.

In the 5th season, the relationship between Walt and Jesse has all the same qualities of an abusive marriage. Skyler talks about being Walt's hostage, but Jesse was even more emotionally trapped by Walt at that stage. For all the parallels between Jesse and Junior I think there are bigger parallels between Jesse and Skyler that are sometimes missed.

Glad you're enjoying my meta. :)
Edited Date: 2013-02-16 09:49 pm (UTC)

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