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"If there's a hell...we're already pretty much going there, right?"

RIP Mike Ehrmantraut. I know every BB fan and their mother was predicting Mike would die soon, so it wasn't a shock when it happened but I was still rather devastated by the merciless way it played out. That everything that Mike stayed for - doing right by his guys in lock up, leaving his money to his granddaughter, etc. It was all for nothing. He let Walt and Lydia live against his better judgement and now he dies knowing they're going to conspire to kill the nine guys. Oh and the lawyer flipped so no money for little Kaylee who'll never know what Mike tried to do for her, only that her grandpa abandoned her one day in the park and disappeared forever. Man. And on top of all that, Mike has to spend his last moments with Walter White telling him he just realised it wasn't really necessary to shoot him. Man oh man. If we can't have happy endings for our BB characters (because happy endings just aren't right for this show) then I hope everyone can get endings as tragically breathtaking as Mike's death. At first I was worried the writers were going to pull a 'Pine Barrens' with Mike just disappearing into the woods. But that last shot of Mike calmly staring over the water was startling and beautiful.  

I see there's been some criticism about Mike how refused to let Jesse bring him his bag and instead gave Walt the perfect opportunity to kill him. Personally I loved Mike's (arguably futile) attempts to protect Jesse and how Mike kept encouraging him to get out of the game. I have a fanon theory about Mike, regarding his bond with Jesse. First off, much has been made of Mike's bond with his granddaughter, but who is Mike's child who parented Kaylee? I hadn't thought about this until Jonathan Banks mentioned in an interview that he didn't think Kaylee's mother was his daughter. So if Mike had a son who was Kaylee's father what happened to his son? Unless canon corrects me, my belief will be that Mike's son was also involved in the drug business and that it got him killed. So if Mike felt even slightly fatherly towards Jesse then I buy that it would've been important to Mike not to put Jesse at risk, even if he had to risk himself instead. Especially after failing in his attempted redemption with Kaylee.

I'm going to be controversial here and say that while I like Mike and I'm sad over his death, part of me didn't blame Walt for killing him. I'll admit - I felt pissed on Walt's behalf for Mike's "you should've known your place" rant. Sorry Mike, but...just...NO. There are many reasons for hating Walter White but I don't hate him for killing Gus. If Walt had "known his place" in Gus's empire then Walt would have worked a few months as a slave cook in Gus's dungeon super lab and then Walt and Jesse would've been murdered and replaced by Gale. Since Mike was the guy who Gus ordered to kill Walt and Jesse at the end of S3 you'd think that Mike would at least appreciate that Walt killing Gus was self-preservation.

Anyway, I need to talk about my favourite scene. But first -

Jesse: Vamanos.
Skyler: I wish...
Falafel: *cries forever*

Is this really happening? Are we going to get a Skyler/Jesse alliance? I want it so bad. Jesse, Skyler and Saul need to get together and become an awesome little team of rebels. I loved Skyler and Jesse's sad shared look in the shadows of the carwash. I also loved Skyler switching to scabby frozen dinners and just walking out of the living room when Walt tried to make small talk with her. Awesome Skyler burn. Then I just burst out laughing at Walt once again terrorising Hank with his tears.

But anyway, the Walt/Jesse scene. Damn it. I cried. I actually started crying when Walt handed Jesse the gloves. I can't fucking help it. I felt sad for Walt and his stuborn denial as he refused to even acknowledge that Jesse was leaving. Then I was just horrified with everything that came out of Walt's mouth in his desperate attempt to make Jesse stay. First Walt believing himself to be the best surrogate daddy ever and promising to give Jesse his very own meth lab, praising Jesse's cook because that's what got Jesse to stay when he tried to leave in S3. Then pointing out that Jesse has no other prospects or ambitions. Oh and Jesse has no life, family or friends either. And in case Jesse forgot he's also a junkie and a murderer and he's going to hell. Walt even mocked Jesse's go carts - the bastard! The bit that really made me cry was Jesse almost inaudibly mouthing "Mr White" as Walt tore strips off him. But the part I really loved? Walt calling Jesse out over wanting his cut of their blood money. Because it's true. Jesse can't take the moral high ground and still take that money. It's easily my favourite Jesse moment of S5 that he chose to walk away from Walt and the money. Yes! Proud of you, kid. I think Jesse is on the right path now. He won't be able to just leave. If Jesse truly doesn't want anyone else to die it's going to require him stepping up rather than running away. I think Jesse's close to realising that now. Gah! I need more defiant!Jesse and there's only one episode left! I think Jesse will become a real force to be reckoned with in the final episodes. Like it says in the song - when you ain't got nothing you've got nothing to lose.

Loved this episode. My favourite of S5, I think. Maybe tied with 'Fifty One'.              

Predictions for next week? Please share them.

Date: 2012-08-27 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readishmael.livejournal.com
Walt calling out Jesse's hypocrisy was such an awesome moment. It hurt like hell, but he was right, and the best thing about it was that I knew right when he said it that Jesse would be leave, anyway. And he did.

But, yeah, I was kind of moved by the depths of Walt's neediness--the way he was acting, at first, like he could just make Jesse's desire to leave go away if he ignored it. But as soon as his tactics turned outright cruel, that went away. Jesse's reaction--that small, aborted, question "Mr. White," like he really couldn't understand why Walt was saying those things or even really believe it was happening. Ow.

So thrilled for the possibility of a Jesse/Skyler alliance.

I think the criticism has shifted from "Why couldn't Jesse bring Mike his bag" to "Why couldn't anyone other than Walt do it." Sepinwall and VanDerWerff both said that the premise of the scene--that only Saul, Jesse, or Walt were available to do it--was false, and that Mike should have asked for anyone but Walt. But Mike had a certain contempt for Walt that made him repeatedly underestimate him, especially one-on-one, and I think he probably assumed Walt would only be too happy to let him escape, since it was necessary to save the operation. So it didn't bother me.

Date: 2012-08-27 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hanfastolfe.livejournal.com
Honestly? I thought Jesse damn well deserved that money. Walt trying to use his moral scruples against him is a giant truckload of hooey considering the depths to which "Mr. White" has sunk on his own self.

I'm not crazy about a Jesse/Skyler alliance, mainly because she seems to be really weirdly volatile where Jesse is concerned, and I can only see it going badly because one or the other will, in a rash moment, accidentally let Walter know what's going down.

Date: 2012-08-27 09:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
Jesse hasn't cared about the money for a while now. I think Jesse wanting his cut was more about Jesse wanting Walt to respect him as an equal partner. Jesse wanted to believe he wasn't just a slave dragged back into the business to do Walt's bidding. Walt doesn't care about the money either. Walt cares about power and more money translates to more power. But what use is power if the king doesn't have loyal subjects around him to acknowledge his power, ie, "Say my name".

But yes, there were flickers of the old Walt in his neediness, trying to chat with Skyler over dinner, his frantic "We should invest in a power washer!" to fend off Jesse saying he's leaving. I don't think Walt can cope with being alone and unloved and in that respect it's him who is going to end up with nothing.

Mike letting Walt get the bag didn't bother me either. Together with your points I'd add that a) Mike was off his game because he was dwelling on leaving Kaylee in the park, and b) Mike was consumed with bitterness and wanted to lash out at Walt.

Date: 2012-08-27 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frenchani.livejournal.com
If there's any consolation, Kaylee is probably better off without the drug money, but being deserted in the park, that was sad.

part of me didn't blame Walt for killing him. I'll admit - I felt pissed on Walt's behalf for Mike's "you should've known your place" rant. Sorry Mike, but...just...NO.There are many reasons for hating Walter White but I don't hate him for killing Gus. If Walt had "known his place" in Gus's empire then Walt would have worked a few months as a slave cook in Gus's dungeon super lab and then Walt and Jesse would've been murdered and replaced by Gale. Since Mike was the guy who Gus ordered to kill Walt and Jesse at the end of S3 you'd think that Mike would at least appreciate that Walt killing Gus was self-preservation.

I'm right with you! I mentioned it in my review too. The "you should have known your place" was outrageous and Mike just rewrote history there.

I think that Jesse understood the place Skyler is now, but I am not sure she was aware he was Walt's hostage too.

But the part I really loved? Walt calling Jesse out over wanting his cut of their blood money. Because it's true. Jesse can't take the moral high ground and still take that money. It's easily my favourite Jesse moment of S5 that he chose to walk away from Walt and the money. Yes! Proud of you, kid. I think Jesse is on the right path now. He won't be able to just leave. If Jesse truly doesn't want anyone else to die it's going to require him stepping up rather than running away.

I second that too!

Methinks that if Walt can't dissolve Mike's body – the priority is silencing the 9 men so he might let the corpse "rest" for the time being, and just bury him – the DEA has a window to find it. So there's still the possibility of Jesse thinking of Walt's speech over and over, finally turning himself in and hearing some day about Mike's murder from Hank. He will then do the maths and be ready to spill the beans about Heisenberg.

Date: 2012-08-27 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hanfastolfe.livejournal.com
I've seen fan theories that suggest that just maybe Kaylee will get that money.

At the very least, please, let her get that letter (;_;)

I've got a fic in mind where Kaylee finally gets some resolution after years of wondering what happened to her PopPop, and it does involve, in part, the letter.

Date: 2012-08-27 10:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
Aaron Paul said on the Inside vid that Jesse is starting to see how Walt manipulates others (Skyler specifically) but still doesn't quite see how he himself is in the same position.

Just read your long review. Awesome! I will write a long reply (in the morning, must sleep now).

Date: 2012-08-27 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hanfastolfe.livejournal.com
Oh man, your reviews are like SO much deeper than mine :P

I'm going to be controversial here and say that while I like Mike and I'm sad over his death, part of me didn't blame Walt for killing him. I'll admit - I felt pissed on Walt's behalf for Mike's "you should've known your place" rant. Sorry Mike, but...just...NO.

This? So much. Mike was out of line there, I thought - for all that he was right about Walter's ego and pride, he had no business telling Walt to have just kept obeying Gus, especially when Gus was making it very clear to Walt that his time was limited as a cook.

I kinda like that Mike got the last word finally. :P "Shut the fuck up. Let me die in peace." So plain, so simply and honestly accepting that he's reached the end of his road and he's on his way to shuffling off the mortal coil.

And Jesse! Oh my god, Walt treating Jesse like that appalled me. If he hadn't killed Mike, the "unforgivable act" he committed might well have been dredging up all of Jesse's past and using it against him in the most naked display of manipulation heretofore possible. And to think Walt totally glossed over how instrumental he'd been in some of it! Isolating Jesse from friends and family, from his lover and his little surrogate brother/son even really stands out in my mind as one big thing Walter was directly responsible for.

It's all "on him".

Date: 2012-08-27 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
I hadn't thought of Mike's last words as him also "having the last word" with Walt. Mike & Walt did spend a lot of time bickering this season.

I think there were a lot of harsh truths in Walt's speech to Jesse. That's part of the strength of Walt's manipulation. He doesn't lie but uses truth as a brutal weapon. But like you say, Walt twists the truth and denies how much he's forcibly pushed Jesse into a) his current isolation and b) extremes of criminality that Jesse didn't want to go to.

Date: 2012-08-28 01:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hanfastolfe.livejournal.com
The thing that really made me dislike Walt and marvel at how out of touch he is with the way Jesse is thinking was when Walt dared bring up Jesse's past drug addictions and threw them in his face.

After Walt defended Jesse (a "junkie") to Gustavo freakin' Fring, too.

Using Jesse's moments of weakness against him. God, that was such an infuriating low blow on Walt's part. Grrrrr.

Date: 2012-08-27 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lenina20.livejournal.com
You saw my LJ? I totally agree with you on Mike's speech - Mike was a soldier all his life - Walt is the king. That is the whole point of the story, actually - that's also why I loved the turn at the end of the Walt/Jesse scene, with Walt offering salvation for Jesse's soul. It was so harsh, really - but so true. Their hands are just as bloody and just as Jesse recognizes his part in that, so must fans. He wants to step out now - he does it, but that doesn't undo what he has done.

His exchange with Skyler suggest the possibility of running away (but why does this show keep mess the Spanish - it's Vámonos) but I don't think them running away together makes much sense - I guess maybe it doens't foreshadow anything, as much as it simply and effectively convey their wish to get out. I'm again missing Skylar - she has zombied out enough. Somehow, having her in open hostility with Walt, though realistic, is not as exciting as it would be if they were able to at least communicate somehow.

He let Walt and Lydia live against his better judgement and now he dies knowing they're going to conspire to kill the nine guys. Oh and the lawyer flipped so no money for little Kaylee who'll never know what Mike tried to do for her, only that her grandpa abandoned her one day in the park and disappeared forever. Man.

This is exactly the kind of ending I wanted for the characters - what we were talking about. Though I have to admit that getting to know so much about Mike's end of the business and arraging it and getting to know the German company and all... only to have Walt switch distribution just like that. Seems kind of strange, doesn't it? Was the point only to get the methlamine so Mike and Jesse could get in their heads the (futile) desire to get out and leave in peace? Plotting the killing of nine people we don't know at all?

I am happy that it was proven that Saul is the best lawyer in the world. Now - if this were The Wire, the lawyer's money would keep on flowing till higher hills, and no harm would have come to Mike. But alas, this is not the story of a closed system. Still, Saul would never. Ever!

Date: 2012-08-27 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
You're right about Mike being a soldier. Another parallel with The Wire and The Sopranos; when a character is considered a good soldier it means that they "know their place". Mike was never going to bow to Walt though. To Mike, Walt was always an unworthy usurper.

I loved the turn at the end of the Walt/Jesse scene, with Walt offering salvation for Jesse's soul. It was so harsh, really - but so true. Their hands are just as bloody and just as Jesse recognizes his part in that, so must fans. He wants to step out now - he does it, but that doesn't undo what he has done.

The Walt/Jesse argument made me think of that William Blake quote "Active evil is better than passive good". Jesse leaving now to cry about all the terrible things they've done seems more decent than Walt's cold indifference - but Jesse's tears won't undo what's been done, so what good are they really?

I think Jesse needs to go back to his rehab therapy. He's been through his failed "I'm the bad guy" phase, now he firmly wants to reject his bad guy role, but Jesse won't experience true change or make any kind of amends unless he can get to "I'm the good guy" and do something to prove it. Sure, Jesse's past does not make him a good guy, but up until the age of 50 Walt's past didn't make him a bad guy. People can break. People can change.

Jesse and Walt are on very different missions of the soul. Walt is terminally ill and has no time for remorse. His limited time must be devoted to his pursuit of power. Jesse is young, he isn't dying of anything, he's the one who potentially has to live with himself for years to come. I think Jesse will start hungering for redemption as much as Walt hungers for power. Skyler? I don't know. Neither her or Jesse will really run away. It's just an "I wish" fantasy for both of them. But they could join forces at least.

I loved Saul bitching about the other lawyer. :D

I have to admit that getting to know so much about Mike's end of the business and arraging it and getting to know the German company and all... only to have Walt switch distribution just like that. Seems kind of strange, doesn't it? Was the point only to get the methlamine so Mike and Jesse could get in their heads the (futile) desire to get out and leave in peace? Plotting the killing of nine people we don't know at all?

I think there had to be major consequences for killing Gus and we had to get a sense of Gus's vast network beyond Walt's very limited view from the super lab. I guess it's a little like Game of Thrones. The Lannisters can't just kill Ned and say they've won. They have to kill (or control) all the Stark household and their banner men. In the same way, Gus needed to wipe out the whole Salamanca empire and Walt has to wipe out the whole Fring empire. Walt doesn't want to hear the name 'Fring' anymore. Only Heisenberg. And sure we don't know or care about 'the Nine' but arranging the murders of nine guys in prison will increase Heisenberg's legend and infamy. He wants to be 'the one who knocks' after all.

Date: 2012-08-28 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elliotsmelliot.livejournal.com
I am undecided how I feel about this season's plot. When I think too hard, there are a lot of holes. I think it only feels this way because the first 4 season were so perfect. But there are also a lot of wistful beautiful moments along the way, like Mike's last scene, and the Vamanos moment. In the end, those scenes stand out more.

Date: 2012-08-28 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
What holes in particular? I do think the plot has been a little crammed this season. Like last week when they rushed from the boys death to the buyout debate. I still wish this season could have had more room to breathe (22 eps rather than 16 maybe). But I'm not really seeing holes. Just things that could've used more time.

All I really ask with my shows is that the good outweights the bad and BB weighs almost entirely on the positive side for me.

Date: 2012-08-28 01:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elliotsmelliot.livejournal.com
I just feel the writing shows a lot more this season. Rather than feel as organic as the previous years, how the story moves from A to B to C seems to need a push. In my opinion there have been too many convenient occurrences to make things happen, which may be because they are rushed for time or maybe because the power switch to have Walt on top has simply made the entire pace of the show different.

Date: 2012-08-29 11:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
In my opinion there have been too many convenient occurrences to make things happen, which may be because they are rushed for time

Yes, I agree that they are taking shortcuts, like Gomie telling Hank that the lawyer was going to flip on Mike within Walt's earshot. I don't think they've done anything completely implausible to speed up the narrative and they have needed to speed up the pace with the 8 arc structure, but I do agree that previous seasons had more fiddly organic plot development. That said, I've read a lot of critics moaning about the early episodes of S3 and S4, saying it's too much of a slow burn and that the show should've got to the action quicker. I don't mind either way TBH. I actually think the sweeping plot movements fit well with Walt's God Complex and his belief that his will will be done, no matter what.

Date: 2012-08-28 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cylune9.livejournal.com
Yes, Mike's death at the hand of Walt was predictable. So much that when it looked like Mike was going to be able to leave town, I thought they would surprise us all let him live. What convinced me was Walt being so eager to warm Mike about the DEA busting him (I mean, you're not going do provide this courtesy to a guy you want dead). But no. Argh! He was Jesse's friend! DAMN YOU WALT!!! How many people close to Jesse are you going to hurt or kill?? Oh and that freaking death scene? I had my hands over my mouth the entire time. So awful and beautiful at the same time. Shut the fuck up and let me die in peace. That last sentence alone sums up Mike so much. I love you Mike and I'll miss you. But most of all, your granddaughter will miss you too. Jesse too. Despite being a cold blooded killer, you had such a great influence on him (seriously - who would have believed Jesse was so smart and competent given the right push. I think Mike is partly responsible for that. He gave him that quiet and honest 'yes, you can do this' that allowed Jesse to really grow as a person)

Speaking of which - the contrast of Jesse's relationship with Mike and Walt reminded me of the little we know of his 'high school' days. We know that Walter flunked him and wrote 'Ridiculous! Apply yourself' on his exam. Contrast this approach to the teacher who made him do the wooden box 'Is that the best you can do?'. To me, that's Walt and Mike. Walt is insulting Jesse's work while the other teacher quietly makes Jesse believe he can do better. He doesn't way 'it sucks'. He simply ask if it's the best he can do and let Jesse do the rest. That was Mike's approach too.

DAMN YOU WALT!!!!! :(

But then again, would Mike risk everything to save Jesse's life like Walt did in 'Half Measures'? The same episode where Walt blew his safe position with Gus by murdering two of his 'trusted' employees? The same action Mike is blaming Walt's ego for? GODDAMIT MIKE! If Walt had been the obedient employee, Jesse would be dead.

So conflicted. DAMN YOU WALT!!!!

But anyway, the Walt/Jesse scene. Damn it. I cried.

I know. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. Walt used his greatest manipulation hits and some new ones he probably had in the back of his head. I'm so, so proud of Jesse for walking out despite Walt withholding the money. Go Jesse! I love you, man.

Date: 2012-08-28 09:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
He was Jesse's friend! DAMN YOU WALT!!! How many people close to Jesse are you going to hurt or kill??

If we reflect on the deaths of Jane, Gus and now Mike then getting too close to Jesse may be a big part of Walt's motive for killing people. Andrea, Badger and Skinny Pete were lucky they got off with exile and little Brock only had to endure a mild poisoning.

Seriously though Walt was already looking murderous when he watched Mike and Jesse shaking hands. He hated that Jesse was so willing to help Mike with his go bag when he'd been so reluctant to help Walt any further. I'm sure Walt blamed Mike for encouraging Jesse to leave and to look out for himself and to have a life of his own. What a bad influence Mike was, really.

would Mike risk everything to save Jesse's life like Walt did in 'Half Measures'?

Honestly? No. Mike was protective of Jesse in S4 but that was probably because Gus put him on bodyguard duty. If Gus had ordered Mike to kill Jesse instead he would've obeyed that order. Heck in late S3 and early S4 Mike was the one suggesting they kill Jesse. Mike developed a fondness for Jesse later and he appreciated that Jesse saved his life in Mexico, but that only goes so far. Mike wasn't willing to adopt Jesse and go on a post-retirement road trip together (which I think Jesse might have wanted). Mike liked Jesse but he was still going to leave Jesse behind knowing there was a good chance that Jesse was going to continue to be used and abused by Walt. When Jesse was saying "Mike, I'm out too", Mike's sad smile suggested to me that Mike knew there was little hope of that.

Walt used his greatest manipulation hits and some new ones he probably had in the back of his head.

I wonder if Walt sits down sometimes and writes lists of all the ways he can emotionally blackmail Jesse if he needs to. Maybe he has bullet points like "Is Jesse religious? If so, insist he's going to hell and so there's no point in repenting now". I did love Jesse saying No though. Reminded me of 'One Minute' only this time he hasn't caved...yet.

Date: 2012-08-28 11:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hanfastolfe.livejournal.com
God, Walt writing that stuff down and analyzing it? So creepy, but so in-character too. *plot bunny emerges*

Date: 2012-08-28 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cylune9.livejournal.com
Regarding Mike willing to risk everything - I wasn't really asking a question ;)

As for Walt looking mad when Mike and Jesse were shaking hands - I think it was also because Mike wouldn't give Walt the same courtesy. Walt's ego demands respect and Mike wouldn't give it to him.

I wonder if Walt sits down sometimes and writes lists of all the ways he can emotionally blackmail Jesse if he needs to. Maybe he has bullet points like "Is Jesse religious? If so, insist he's going to hell and so there's no point in repenting now".

LOL!!!! He probably does! Like that pro/con list for killing Krazy-8.

Date: 2012-08-29 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
As for Walt looking mad when Mike and Jesse were shaking hands - I think it was also because Mike wouldn't give Walt the same courtesy.

Good point! I think it was both. Walt was certainly infuriated that Mike never shook his hand, never said thank you, nor showed him any respect, yet Mike did respect Jesse. But Mike and Jesse's handshake also reminded me of the Walt & Jesse handshake at the end of S4, so I think there was some jealousy that crept in there too.

Date: 2012-08-29 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hanfastolfe.livejournal.com
Yeah. Mike only grudgingly shook Walter's hand that one time in "Madrigal" when Mike declined entering Walt's new drug business.

And even then, Walt had to extend his hand first.

With Jesse, Mike's stuck his hand out first most of the time I think.

Little gestures of respect, and Walt's big on getting it from people.
Edited Date: 2012-08-29 10:50 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-28 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com
I'm going to be controversial here and say that while I like Mike and I'm sad over his death, part of me didn't blame Walt for killing him. I'll admit - I felt pissed on Walt's behalf for Mike's "you should've known your place" rant. Sorry Mike, but...just...NO.

I agree 100% It feels like these days Mike has become such a fan favourite that people are all too ready to see him as the good guy and excuse him because of his fondness for Jesse and his granddaugher, and of course his contempt for Walt. But most of his hatred at Walt is about killing Gus and destroying a sweet deal for Mike personally as his enforcer. Someone recently made a good point that actually Mike is more similar to Walt in a way than to Jesse because when it comes to their business Mike does generally side with Walt on the more practical but ruthless options like killing Lydia, or even with covering up the kids disappearance. Jesse was the one who wanted no part in it while Walt and Mike were actively covering it up and voting to continue working with Todd which was clearly something Jesse found abhorent, Mike's main anger with Todd seemed to be because he didn't follow orders and because he took a gun along without clearing it with Mike...

And yes the Walt and Jesse confrontation was amazing, my heart broke for Jesse as he couldn't quite take in all of the terrible things Mr White was saying to him, but I also loved Walt's desperation as he tries to convince Jesse to stay right up to his final screaming of Jesse's name. It's weird to look back on the contempt shown in the early seasons and know that Walt will need up needing Jesse in his life above all else practically, the scenes of Walt trying a different partner and it not being the same just had such a downbeat feeling to them

Date: 2012-09-02 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
Yeah, I agree about Mike. I've always liked the world weary tone of his character and Jonathan Banks performance but Mike was always a company man in Gus's pocket. Once Gus was gone Mike was just a bitter old timer trying to scrape back what he had lost. I felt very sad to lose Mike from the story but I never forgot that he was a ruthless killer so it's hard to feel bad about Mike losing the money he earned from years of murder and drug running.

The scenes with Walt and Todd cooking felt so empty to me, even though Todd was doing everything Walt could've wanted. Walt is such an emotional bully - not just in this scene, I mean this is Walt who once told Jesse "Go to Mexico, screw up like I know you will and wind up dead in a barrel" - but at this point I think he's bullying out of desperation because he didn't want Jesse to leave.

Sorry for the late reply to this comment!

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