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Falafel's Review

I didn't exactly enjoy this episode. It was a slick thrill-ride of an episode (like a rollacoster that makes you want to throw up) but well...my own sense of idealism over this show feels shaken and darkened because of it. Maybe that was the idea, but it wasn't a pleasant experience. I know some fans go wild for Guns! Explosions! Buttkicking! etc. I've never got a kick out of violence myself. I find the human fleet tearing each other apart quite an ordeal to watch. What happened to 'So Say We All'? I know. That's the point. But it still hurts.

I'd give this episode very highmarks for storytelling and structure, except for one thing that disappointed me. The B&W feel. The Goodies VS Baddies vibe. During the last two episodes they did such a good job of presenting both sides of the argument with lashings of moral grey. I know Lee still paid lipservice to this, but really - who are they kidding? The rebel troops were portrayed as snarling thugs (Connor's back. What a surprise) while Adama's gang were heroic cowboys. It didn't have to be that way. I think it would have been a stronger episode with more balance and doubt between factions. The apologetic Marine was a good touch. I could have done with more of that.

But yes, grudgingly I'll admit it was a very good plot development to inspire the main characters to stop sulking over their losses and become awesome again. I don't know. Maybe it did have to be this way? If Felix hadn't become the villian would they ever have become heroes again? Bill is fighting for his fleet and his mission again. Laura is speaking to her people again. Apollo has found his moral centre again. Starbuck is kicking ass again. This is what they should have done from the moment they came back from Earth's surface. But they didn't care. If Felix did nothing else that's good this day, at least he made them care again.   

*heavy sigh* I've been worrying a lot over Felix dying. Now I know the worst of it. Felix Gaeta is already dead. This boy died defending his uniform. This boy died of a broken heart. Soon he'll die again and he will have nothing. There's nothing left of Felix now. Nothing but his outstanding tactical skills (seriously, wow...) and his hatred for the world. Poor Felix was always very unlucky when he tried to do the right thing, but he is frighteningly good at doing the wrong thing. I want to hate the writers so so much for doing this. But here's the infuriating thing; I think Felix's arc is so powerful and fascinating. I want to applaud those same evil writers who are destroying my soul *slow resentful claps*.  Felix Gaeta used to be the most innocent, sensible, selfless kid in the fleet. This study of a young idealistic soldier broken and transformed over a bitter four year war has been well-written, well-paced and well-performed. I think it's an important story to tell, even if it's a horribly depressing one for a fan who loved him. I'll always love the boy that Felix was, even if I can't love what he has become. Felix has become an emblem of why I hate war so much and everything that it does to people.    

"There will be no forgiveness." This line was another major blow for me. Seriously, I don't forgive Felix and the other rebels for what they are doing. If Felix ever wakes up to the horror of this situation, he'll never forgive himself either. But it still hurts to hear Daddy Adama swearing he will not forgive those who are opposing him. Forgiveness is the thing I love most about Bill. I love Bill's forgiveness as much as I loved Felix's goodness. I don't know if I can take another death. This line actually makes me think Felix will survive the mutiny, either surrendering or being overpowered, and the writers will test if Adama will carry out his own "reckoning" and continue to rule with an iron fist. Which is why this mutiny is happening in the first place. The scene where Bill and Felix were yelling at each other in the CIC was so painful to watch. I heard them both. I understood them both. But they didn't hear or understand each other. 

Gaius Baltar has become my cuddly teddy bear on this show! I'm clinging to Gaius so much now, because for all his flaws - he is as vain and self-preserving as ever - he might be the only person on this show who hasn't got any violent malice in him. He's far too busy trying to save his own neck. Gotta love him. And I must say I still LOVE my Baltar/Gaeta ship! If I loved them when Gaius was the bad guy and Felix was the good guy I can love the reversal too, right? That phone calI. Felix's face! These two are so ex-boyfriends. I also loved all the scenes with Baltar and Roslin, who are now BFFs apparently, though they still like to bitchslap each other over their bogus religious conversions and commiserate over how they got pwned by their Presidential aids.   

*sigh again* If nothing else I'm happy see Alessandro Juliani getting away from Dradis contacts and expositioning to play a major dynamic  role on this show. For the actor this is all great stuff. His character used to be a blank sheet of paper and now he is a warped kalidescope of crazy colours. It's quite an achievement. I'm still waiting for this 'pinnacle' moment for Felix that AJ has spoken of. Truly I'll be amazed with AJ if he can somehow pull Felix back from the brink at this stage.   

Next week...looks like a frakking nightmare. Why me, fandom?

Date: 2009-01-31 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daybreak777.livejournal.com
Aww, you are hurting. *hugs* I really enjoyed the ep, but I see you wanted more. I hope my excitement below doesn't feel like I'm ignoring your pain. I know you are just worried about Felix and the story. But I saw things so differently.

If Felix hadn't become the villian would they ever have become heroes again?
See, I don't think Felix is the villain. I think he thinks he is the hero. Ramming the Cylon alliance down peoples' throats with no say was wrong. In fact, Adama and Roslin have been going down a slippery slope since season 3. I'm glad their actions have been called into question. I don't think they are heroes. There is no clear right side in this battle to me.

I woke up today thinking, maybe Felix doesn't die. I could be in supreme denial but maybe there is a way out of this for him. Someone says he has a line he won't cross and maybe that will bring him back. But maybe not. They needed this mutiny to bring them out of their malaise but they have never acknowledged Gaeta's good deeds ever. That's why I'm with him on this. Go down fighting, my boy, for your cause. He can lead too! They were never ever going to frakking promote him after seven years! I'm glad he's taking his stand. Eyes wide open. That's my boy and I love him. :-)

Felix has become an emblem of why I hate war so much and everything that it does to people.
Wow. I see it differently. I see him growing up. I see him not being so blind anymore. Yes, it may cost him his soul. But he was already dead this whole time, then. His soul lost long ago. The body is just a shell. Like Dee, you know? She just ended that body early. Good for her. Made her decision and stuck with it. So will Gaeta. None of them could stay that innocent in this world for long. Look at civilian Laird. Hoshi. Maybe Hoshi!

This line actually makes me think Felix will survive the mutiny, either surrendering or being overpowered, and the writers will test if Adama will carry out his own "reckoning" and continue to rule with an iron fist.
Yes, yes, yes!!!! Maybe he lives! That's what I woke up to. Gaeta may lead and be good at it. And they all wake the frak up to where they were going. Torturing Baltar. Maybe releasing biological weapons on the Cylons. Ignoring the Quorum. Giving up posts when the fleet needs you. It was all going to hell and Felix woke them up! Maybe he will get recognized! (I know I may be dreaming, but maybe!)

That phone call. Felix's face! These two are so ex-boyfriends.
"What do you want, Gaius?" They are so exes. :-) And Felix, in the midst of everything, still took the call. And his face. That was awesome!

is character used to be a blank sheet of paper and now he is a warped kalidescope of crazy colours. . . Truly I'll be amazed with AJ if he can somehow pull Felix back from the brink at this stage.
This cast is acting gold! I am sure AJ can handle this. What a great opportunity for him. And Felix! He's running CIC right now! It's like he's the Admiral! But I can feel Felix thinking beneath all this. He has a plan. He hasn't been really surprised yet. Oooooh! I have no sense of dread, just excitement. Yup, this is probably denial but I think I need it right now. (You see why I like Felix. :-))

I can't wait! Felix is center stage!!!!!

Date: 2009-01-31 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
I think both sides had good arguments to make last episode, but Gaeta is doing this for all the wrong reasons. When he was ranting to Adama he sounded like a teenager throwing a fit "I worked so hard and you never gave me a medal and you never found us a planet," and so on. And I've been up in arms over how Gaeta is so unappreciated over the years, but it didn't warrant this. Gaeta is more blind than ever now. He saw Zarek murder Laird and he still wanted to go ahead and make this man President? It's like Gaeta is just determined to plunge into darkness and he is dragging the crew down with him.

I can understand why you want Gaeta to stick to his guns now he has chosen this path. To show conviction. But I'd feel better if he surrendered. I can't deal with Gaeta blanking out the casualties of this mutiny. It's wrong.

Date: 2009-01-31 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daybreak777.livejournal.com
It is wrong. I guess even though it is wrong, I still think it makes Gaeta stronger somehow. He can make the hard choices. I don't know if it matters to me whether he was right, just that he takes a stand. But maybe that strength is compromised when it used in the wrong way. Maybe. I just like seeing the strength and knowing that he can do this. I'm not sure if that makes sense, though.

He will think about those casualties later. If old Felix is in there somewhere, he'll remember every name. And that will be a very, very bad place for him. But for now I'm just glad he did something. I guess I've let go of old Felix whom I really did love. Or he's been gone for a while now and I'm just noticing.

I'm still excited to watch it all unfold, but I can see why you might not be. And I really appreciate getting a different view. I don't think I understand it completely (trying though!) but I know others feel similarly, so I appreciate you sharing your thoughts.

Date: 2009-01-31 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crickets.livejournal.com
The rebel troops were portrayed as snarling thugs... while Adama's gang were heroic cowboys.

- I can see the black and white here, but I think the point is, there's one side here who's being betrayed by this action, and one side who's doing the betraying. I also think they did a relatively good job at showing us that there are some who are very "gung-ho" about the uprising (Felix, Connor, the Pegasus guy) and some who are more reluctant/not so snarling -- Racetrack, Tigh & Adama's marine. They need the "unforgiving" type to make something like this mutiny happen in the first place. They just need the others to fall in line.

Date: 2009-01-31 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
I think the argument is that the rebels were feeling betrayed and oppressed by Adama/Roslin. For earth and the cylons in the fleet. I can see why the storyline requires this. But it hurts to watch.

Date: 2009-01-31 07:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anonymousblu.livejournal.com
Excellent thoughts, and I share them all. When Adama was yelling at Felix, when he was saying he would die with nothing, that there would be no forgiveness....seriously it made me sick. Also, knowing how just about everyone on the online boards and comms (except us) HATE Gaeta and cannot wait for him to die painfully...it just kills me. I guess I'm so wrapped up in this character, that i understand his motives. But I'm also being all protective sister and saying "Oh honey, not like this. You've just destroyed your life"

So...to make myself happy...I think about my new "it so won't happen" pet theory: they keep focusing on the pain of Gaeta's stump because the damn thing is growing back. THAT'S why the prosthetic doesn't fit right, and THAT'S why his stump looks different in every episode! It's crazy but it keeps my mind off what's really happening...

Date: 2009-01-31 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] millari.livejournal.com
So...to make myself happy...I think about my new "it so won't happen" pet theory: they keep focusing on the pain of Gaeta's stump because the damn thing is growing back.

Hey, they've already had Roslin's cancer cured by magic baby hybrid blood, implied that the Head!People are real and not just a figment of characters' imagination, and they've had people outrun a supernova. At this point, I'd be like, "Oh, you're KIDDING me!" if they made Gaeta's leg grow back, but I wouldn't put it past them. :) If it makes you feel better, go for it, I say.

Personally, I think the show's going to end with everyone dying and we see them in some kind of reboot in another time where they all get peace/resolution, or else they're going to be in some kind of heaven where they get the same. If either of those happen, I think Felix is going to get his leg back.

Date: 2009-02-01 07:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anonymousblu.livejournal.com
"Personally, I think the show's going to end with everyone dying and we see them in some kind of reboot in another time where they all get peace/resolution"

That would be lovely. I'm not so optimistic!

(and I'm sorry I don't know how to quote someone in my reply!)

Date: 2009-01-31 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
The writer said in an interview they were going to use a flashback clip from the mini-season; the first scene with Adama and Gaeta, which is also one of the first scenes in the show. The one where Gaeta is telling Adama what an honour it was been to serve under him. It's crushing to think that these two would be so merciless with each other.

Date: 2009-02-01 04:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prophetkristy.livejournal.com
you're KILLING me.

Date: 2009-01-31 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] millari.livejournal.com
I'm very distressed by where they are going with Felix in these two eps. It seems clear that they are setting him up for what you say, to be the kick in the pants A/R need to be engaged again, and I'd even be fine with Felix dying for that, I think, if they would just ACKNOWLEDGE him for that. (Gods, how pathetic is that? Like this is the best I can hope for Felix anymore?) Even if they said, "He did the wrong thing, but if it weren't for what he did, we'd still be having death's door sex by candlelight. The poor boy meant well and did what he thought he had to do," well then I could live with that maybe. Maybe.

But this? They're turning him into a villain and A/R into the heroes, and for me, the writers wrote the death knell for Felix being a sympathetic character when they wrote him clicking off Roslin's speech. What I took Felix's rebellion to be about was the fact that there was no check on Adama because the President had abandoned her post, and so because there was no check on Adama, he was just shoving the alliance down everyone's throat and feeling like he didn't have to explain it to anyone. With Roslin on point, there would have been discussions in the Quorum, like when she brought the Cylon Alliance to the Quorum in the first place (with Natalie). But here was Roslin checking back in, being the President again, and Felix didn't even pause to consider that maybe the rule of law was in place again and he could stand down. I would have liked to see him at least consider it.

They're quickly turning him into Helena Cain: A ruthless, rabid Cylon hater with no nuanced thinking about it, and ruthless too. He doesn't even know who's on that Raptor and he's ordered it destroyed. This is not the same man who waited through two deaths in the Webisodes before even considering the possibility that murder was happening in front of him. They're making Felix into someone for the viewers to despise.

If they arrest him and have him whining all the way out the CIC, I will be really, really frustrated.

And yeah, I understand your conflict about being glad to see Felix being REALLY competent in a leadership role. He was VERY quick on the uptake about all their escape plans, wasn't he? He's blind in his own way, but he's a lot less blind than Adama has been, who even after Tigh got that there was a mutiny about to happen, was still not truly seeing it. ("What is this? What is this?") I mean, Adama has always been the one who saw the big picture before Tigh. Always.

Jaffe felt to me like a really clumsy attempt to doppelganger Gaeta. A more interesting one for me was Laird, actually. He's another guy who stood up to an unconscionable order from an Admiral out of control. I fear that Laird's death is foreshadowing Felix's, but hope that we're going to get to see RSLF in the brig first.

Date: 2009-01-31 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
Well, Gaeta is Tactical officer. It seems to me that he dedicated all his mutiny planning time to the idea of how he could effectively seize control of the CIC. Which worked like a dream. Full marks for tactics. But he doesn't seem to have much of a plan beyond that. He's still trying to supress everything. He has no trust in Roslin or Baltar, so he supresses them too. I didn't even get the impression that he likes or trusts Zarek. I really don't know what Gaeta's long term plan is. Maybe he is waiting for the people he imagined were going to join his side.

I hate to think of Felix turning into Cain because I despised Cain (and the Gay villian syndrome gets up my nose). I don't actually mind them demonising Cain; she was a 3 ep character. I just think it's sad to take a regular who has been there from the start and give him such a nasty bitter end. Especially since these writers acknowledge that Gaeta is a fan favourite. But it's weird because if you look at the podcast and writers interviews they actually defend and sympathise with Gaeta a lot. I don't know if they are planning some redemption for him, but personally I think they went to far with the badness for a character who has been a good guy for so long. I get that Felix makes a more interesting antagonist than just using the obvious choices of Zarek and Cavil. I just didn't want them to totally divorce Gaeta from his former good self.

Well, Gaeta said he wanted to turn the world right side up again. Once Adama has surpressed the mutiny, he might get his wish. The fleet will have got all their anger out and they'll be ready to move forward. But the world will never be right again for Gaeta, so I do think he'll die for this muddled cause. I think Baltar might be the only person to really mourn him and remember the man he used to be.

Date: 2009-02-01 04:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prophetkristy.livejournal.com
I've seen others criticizing the effectiveness of Felix's mutiny and as much as I want to tell them "leave my sweet boy alone!" I don't disagree with them. He's got superb tactical skills and definitely knew he could take over the CIC, but I'm sure he didn't not want things to go down too violently (see: not gunning down Adama and Roslin), and I also think he overestimated his ability to control the mob (Marines, Connor).

Glad to hear that there's support from TPTB in the podcasts for him--fan outcry can do no good at this point which is also good!

Date: 2009-01-31 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cylune9.livejournal.com
During the last two episodes they did such a good job of presenting both sides of the argument with lashings of moral grey.

I know and I'm so disappointed the show has portrayed the rebels as rapists and murderers. I thought they had a good cause - Adama made a decision to make FTL upgrade mandatory on all ship, against the wishes of the people. And don't get me started on his assessment that this was a military matter. When the Chief made his proposal, he said it was a decision the President would have to make. Turns out it was bullshit. Adama is a dictator and can't respect the wishes of the people? Then frak that, I'm part of the revolution. But it's really hard to be on the rebels side when they kill innocent people and threatened to rape. I totally agree, the show didn't have to go that way and I'm disappointed it did. They could have portrayed the rebels as respecfull of human life because isn't what they were fighting for? The right of the people to make their own decisions?

Felix Gaeta is already dead

Yes he is. His soul is dead. I wish he would have died back in Collaborators.

Poor Felix was always very unlucky when he tried to do the right thing, but he is frighteningly good at doing the wrong thing.

No kidding. Yeah, I mean... among all the heartbreaks, I couldn't help but feel a tad proud about how *good* he was! I mean that some serious talent to have been able to isolate CIC and overthrow Adama. He organized this mutiny in 2 days and succeeded??? I think your word choice is excellent here, he's indeed frighteningly good.

This study of a young idealistic soldier broken and transformed over a bitter four year war has been well-written, well-paced and well-performed.

I know. I hate and admire the writers for that.

Gaius Baltar has become my cuddly teddy bear on this show! I'm clinging to Gaius so much now, because for all his flaws - he is as vain and self-preserving as ever - he might be the only person on this show who hasn't got any violent malice in him. He's far too busy trying to save his own neck. Gotta love him.

Word!!! I'm so loving Gaius right now. True that he hasn't got any violent malice in him. And it's so attractive in a man. Gaius is not only character I'm loving these days, Lee gained my love back (he started as my favorite character, Lee/Democracy used to be my OTP) with the way he's reacting to the events around him. He's truly the hero of the show.

If nothing else I'm happy see Alessandro Juliani getting away from Dradis contacts and expositioning to play a major dynamic role on this show.

He must have loved it so much. In a way, this development is better for him than being the fifth cylon. You know how these actors love to play the bad guys.

Date: 2009-01-31 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
Bringing back the Pegasus rapists was especially cheap. They were always cheap baddies. But I guess the writers wanted to create some jeapody for the Agathons, since they haven't featured much recently. Obviously Gaeta couldn't pick and chose when it came to his mutiny henchmen. To gain the tactical advantage he needed the muscle - he's a pasty one-legged geek, he isn't going to intimidate them on his own.

Yeah, I did enjoy a few devious giggles over how Gaeta pwned the CIC. He's gooood. He definitely getting his scholorship to the Evil League of Evil. I think if Adama keeps Gaeta alive for any reason it'll be because Gaeta IS valuable for his skills and Adama needs all his resources, particularly in terms of tactical and natigation.

I don't wish Gaeta had died in Collaborators, just because I do think his arc is powerful even though it sucks for his fans. But remember that NOW is not the whole show. I'm currently loving Baltar and Tigh but there have been other times in canon when those characters have been baddies. I mean, Tigh's martial law and his suicide bombings? Nasty. And you got through Lee's fat cowardly ass phase. The problem with Gaeta hitting his lowest point now is that there probably isn't time for him to recover from it. He's doomed himself.

I think Gaius is the one person who could save Felix, even if he only gives him spiritual peace. I did truly love the Gaius/Felix scene. I like that Gaius rattled Felix. They are still so psycho-sexual.

Date: 2009-02-01 04:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prophetkristy.livejournal.com
The problem with Gaeta hitting his lowest point now is that there probably isn't time for him to recover from it. He's doomed himself.

Thank GOD for fanfic.

(Sorry I'm getting a little out of hand with the comments! I really don't want to grade more papers tonight!)

Date: 2009-01-31 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pacejunkie.livejournal.com
Felix Gaeta used to be the most innocent, sensible, selfless kid in the fleet. This study of a young idealistic soldier broken and transformed over a bitter four year war has been well-written, well-paced and well-performed.

Hurts so good doesn't it? Well done writers, fabulous storytelling. This show is still so high quality after four season, it's amazing how they kept it up.

Gaius Baltar has become my cuddly teddy bear on this show! I'm clinging to Gaius so much now, because for all his flaws - he is as vain and self-preserving as ever - he might be the only person on this show who hasn't got any violent malice in him. He's far too busy trying to save his own neck. Gotta love him.

Oh what a spot on observation. Through the start of this I kept asking, where is Gaius? What's he doing right now? because we've hardly seen him at all this half season. I'm glad he not only came back into the story, but was reunited with Roslin and continued nicely on his personal character arc.

And GREAT point about the role reversal between Gaius and Felix! I also really enjoy every scene with Gaius and Roslin together. They're two sides of the same coin really, which is why they clash so much.

Date: 2009-01-31 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
I actually think S4 is the deepest and most mature. It's the most depressing too. S1, even with it's apocalypse, seems upbeat by commparison.

Hehe. Gaius inspires violent malice but he's one of the only people who don't inflict it. I really want so see more Gaius. With Felix. Talking Felix down from his crazy.

Date: 2009-01-31 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elliotsmelliot.livejournal.com
Throughout the episode I kept thinking about our last conversation regarding Adama forgiving Gaeta. By the time Gaeta took control of the bridge, I think mercy went out an airlock and I really felt for you and Felix. Is Gaeta’s death inevitable? I would say never count anyone out. If the Cylons can be forgiven for mass genocide, it is possible the mutineers could be too. It’s so regretful that the opportunity your favourite character got to take centre stage is most likely tied to his sacrifice. You sure know how to pick them! However it ends, you can take solace in how this is really Gaeta’s season, and that for better or worse he changed things that needed to be changed.

That being said, I enjoyed this episode a lot. For one I thought it balanced the character moments with the action nicely, and after the slow build-up from the premiere you really felt everything was just primed to explode. I really appreciated the attention to detail and planning they took the time to show in terms of the mutiny. It revealed how clever Gaeta is and how critical his role is to Galactica has been tactically and in terms of trustworthiness for 7 years. And it was him who wooed other Adama men and women to break their oath. It suggests this couldn’t have been coordinated without Gaeta, or at least not by Zarek alone.

I did not see it coming down to black and white at all. I thought it showed why the idea of mutiny appealed to various factions - like the Pegasus rapists who never respected Adama (and who represent a historically all too familiar attitude in terms of military macho bravado and violence to women) to Zarek who has been wanting this revolution from day 1 to Gaeta who only wants what he thinks is best for humanity and is willing to sacrifice his past. On the other side we had Adama roaring no forgiveness and then being unable to kill a surrendered mutineer. Meanwhile Kara didn't think twice about going in guns a blazing on her former comrades. Sure, one side is weighted towards the traditional heroes, but not without exposing how their flaws got them to this point, and many are using this moment to selfishly settle personal grievances. And even though I think the violence always needed to achieve a revolution ends up bloodying the hands of the rebels, no matter how just they are, thus making them just as traitorous as their targets, ethnically and even tactically their decision not to want to ally with the Cylons seems a smarter route. (If the fleet uses Cylon technology and Cavell shows up, couldn’t he control their ships?)

I have no idea how this can be resolved without breaking the fleet apart permanently.

Date: 2009-02-01 12:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
The Gaeta/Adama scene on the Bridge tore me up. They were so foul and unforgiving to each other. It hurt to watch. These are two of the main characters that I used to look towards for a bit of decency in the show. It was crushing *bleeds*

It’s so regretful that the opportunity your favourite character got to take centre stage is most likely tied to his sacrifice. You sure know how to pick them!

Yup, I fall for that one every time. I kinda want Felix to die now though. I do think Felix's actions may ultimately result in a better fleet, but when he comes to the end of this righteous power-kick he'll be a wreck. I don't want to believe that Adama will go through with his 'no amnesty' threat and slaughter all the rebels. But Felix, well, he stole Adama's frakking ship. I don't think he's getting off the hook for that.

He did steal it very cleverly! Good or evil, I love underestimated characters when they pwn. Even Laura seemed perversely impressed with Felix's badassery.

I thought it showed why the idea of mutiny appealed to various factions

There was one blog pointing out interesting parallels between Adama/Gaeta, who share dialogue about "the oath" and "the reckoning", and Zarek/Kara who both threaten "You know where to find me". So there are people with similar natures on opposite teams. Zarek/Kara are both really spoiling for a fight and are just killing people on a whim. With Adama/Gaeta it's more of a principled power struggle.

If the fleet uses Cylon technology and Cavell shows up, couldn’t he control their ships?

Very good point! I can see pros and cons regarding the cylon technology. I wasn't really convinced by Chiefs proposal after he admitted "I barely understand this stuff". Considering cylon viruses wiped out the rest of the Colonial fleet and almost destroyed Galactica, I'd suggest extreme caution. But Adama wanted Go-faster ships just to 'Find a new planet! ANY planet! Quick, before everyone shoots themselves!'. I think the cylon alliance is basically opportunistic while the anti-cylon feeling is just not going to be healed for at least another generation. I don't know how they'll resolve things either.

Date: 2009-02-01 04:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prophetkristy.livejournal.com
Re thugs: forget Connor, what about Gage? guy gave me the creeps BEFORE he tried to rape Athena.

I'm with ya on the rollercoaster--it was alternate flailing and wibbling. I'm more frightened for Felix than I've ever been. As much as BSG has shown shades of grey, *Adama* is always very black-and-white (in my estimation). And Felix isn't one of his Special Snowflakes. I have hope that Lee might point out that both sides have valid points, but the writers have such difficulty with using Lee effectively that it's a very small hope.

Felix Gaeta is already dead. This boy died defending his uniform. This boy died of a broken heart.

Oh gods....you're right. *hides under bed and sobs*

Such am amazing arc for this character. Truly impressive. And a credit to AJ.

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Date: 2012-07-09 03:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nonnaynyvi.livejournal.com

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